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2 years agoJeff E
Mostly just wanted to add my personal story to “How School Rankings Work”. Absolutely school rankings are based on “how privileged is the typical student” and not “how much instructional value will I get if I send my kid here”.
I went to a high school that is rated 3/10 on GreatSchools, located in a poor predominately black neighborhood. It has a lot of struggling students, people who were in and out of juvenile detention, people with unplanned pregnancies, also many immigrants who were not fluent in English language. It was not “accredited” by the state because school test scores weren’t high enough. But all I needed was for it to offer AP classes with teachers that care – I ended up taking and passing eleven AP exams. I went to the best university in my state, turning down a full ride at another state university. I could have graduated early, but decided to double major and go to grad school. I now have my PhD in physics and work as a research scientist. I am not typical of my graduating class! But I really think my high school helped to make me who I am.
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2 years agoBurgh NP
Thank you for sharing this valuable insight and kudos on all of your accomplishments!
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Tom TImagine teaching a seventh grade English class of 20 kids, 15 of whom read at a fifth grade level. Would the assignments you give, your standards of grading, your classroom instruction, or the amount of time spent on remedial instruction be the same as if you had a class of 20 kids with 15 reading at a seventh grade level? Or with most of the class reading at a ninth grade level? Probably not. In which class would a girl that currently reads at her grade level be most likely to fall behind? Or simply waste her time? Probably not the one with proficient peers. But maybe I’m wrong and the techniques and strategies for acquiring skills in a public school are completely different than they are in private schools, charter schools, parochial schools, dental schools, medical schools, law schools, swimming schools, tennis academies, music conservatories, fine art ateliers, youth sports development programs, trade schools, clown colleges, seminaries, nunneries, and every other form of human endeavor.
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Jennifer HI taught elementary school in both traditional public and charter schools in low-income communities, and I had many students who were performing below grade level. I still taught grade-level standards to all my students, and tried to provide extra help to kids who were behind, and extra challenges to kids who were ahead. My colleagues did too. This isn’t necessarily the case in all schools in low-income communities — and it isn’t always true in affluent communities, or in private schools, which are a totally mixed bag too. But there are many teachers doing a great job in low-rated, low-income schools.
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2 years agoKMZ223
Anecdata to the school conversation:
I went to a majority black high school in a largely white, affluent suburb in Maryland. Nearby neighborhoods work hard to avoid going to my high school to the point where it became a NYTimes story (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/us/howard-county-school-redistricting.html).
As the upper middle class White daughter of two lawyers, it was an incredible place to go to high school. Strong community, excellent arts program, great sports, and I was able to access the exact same AP classes as my peers at neighboring schools. The diversity of the student body and the high level of engagement of the staff meant that we avoided the “pressure cooker” feel of a lot of nearby high schools. And, for those who care, I had exceptional SAT scores and had to choose between multiple academic full ride scholarships when I went to college. I don’t feel that my education “suffered” one iota.
My experience has given me a lifelong suspicion of choosing schools based on test scores. Not all high schools are Wilde Lake, but there are many gems out there that are similar. I believe in school visits and word of mouth and availability of certain subjects (APs, algebra) way more than I believe in judging a school by the affluence of its population or the color of their skin or the test scores and I hope my example might encourage other parents to do the same.
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2 years agoaccess@mattered.com
So interesting; I was bussed into Wilde Lake and have none of the same fondness for the school as you do. Quite the opposite.
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2 years agoKMZ223
What a small world! What year was that out of curiosity? Our neighborhood was redistricted to Wilde Lake in the late 90s and my friends largely remember it fondly, but obviously high school is high school so your results may vary.
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2 years agoaccess@mattered.com
I felt this article blurred the distinction a bit between which schools are doing the best job at achieving their mission, vs how we as parents can tell which schools will be the best fit for our particular child. School rankings don’t do a very good job of measuring either one, to be sure.
In particular, “most improved” is a very important metric for teachers, admins, and officials to appreciate. But it’s not going to be helpful for your kid unless your kid is starting off academically behind. I am guessing that is less common among ParentData readers than average.
These may not be the most relevant factors for everyone, but we chose public school because it offered the best social opportunities (i.e. the convenience of neighborhood kids) and the widest range of neurodiversity support (e.g. single subject acceleration for gifted kids, some understanding of ADHD and autism, etc.). Being free was nice too.
The CDC reports that 10% of high school students every year attempt suicide, and rates are higher when school is in session than on break. So choosing a school that is the least bad for mental health is our top priority. Honestly, homeschooling would probably be best on that count as well as on academics; but after compromising for the mental health of us parents as well, the school with the most convenient social opportunities won.
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Jennifer HThank you so much for writing this article!!! I’ve made similar arguments in my writing, but I don’t have the audience you have 🙂
I really wish real estate websites would remove the GreatSchools ratings from their home listings. They are so detrimental to public school systems that serve a diverse group of kids.
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2 years agoAmanda
Question on teacher student ratios: how do you figure out if they are directly comparable? They don’t seem to be the same thing as class size. They often see to include staffers other than classroom teachers. Are they calculated the same everywhere?
As a parent I’ve found it basically impossible to assess a school without being physically in it myself. Which makes it challenging to select a school for my kids. Just last week I was in a music class with my kid and was horrified. Our district was ranked the best in the state in music for several years running, which sounds very impressive. But by listening to my kid and then seeing it for myself, I realized that the class is horrendous and a complete waste of time. I still have no idea how to figure out things like that about schools I might potentially like to switch to, particularly if they are not hyper local to us.
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2 years agoDanglyRaccoon
Could you provide the sources for the claim that student-teacher ratio improves learning? I’ve always heard the data to support that conclusion are weak at best, so I’d love to see what convinced you otherwise.
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1 year, 12 months agoMEG
I’ve heard the same. And also that the benefit of class size isn’t linear. It’s a bell curve. Is 25 better than 50? Most likely. But how low can/should you go? Is 5 better than 25? Probably not and potentially worse. At some point things get too small and are detrimental to learning. I don’t know what the cut off should be though. But we’ve put too much money into decreasing ratios when the impact is likely small.
The biggest difference that I’ve read isn’t class size. High income and low income schools improve test scores similarly throughout the year (maybe a point or two less). It’s summer break. Low income school kids lose multiple test score points and high income school kids gain multiple points maybe even a dozen over the summer. Nobody wants to talk about significantly reducing summer break so instead we keep beating the class size drum.
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2 years agotch295
I went to that 3/10 school district. My mother taught in a 1/10 district. Now my kids are going to that 10/10 school district. I have no clue why we are trying to make the lower ranked school district sound better than they are in the name of something vaguely social justice sounding. If you had an ok experience in the lower ranked school, likely you were in honors, like me and my friends were and so were already funneled in to APs and college but the rest of the students were having a different experience. I think at least half my 200+ person class did not go to college. How exactly was diversity helpful to education? Sorry but it is just a nice thing for white folks like myself to say to feel not racist and absolutely meaningless to most students. Most of the lower ranked schools are likely filled with uninterested students, future dropouts and often worse, violence. The rankings mean something, so yeah all my friends were fine but none of us send kids to the same kind of school now and that’s intentional.
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2 years agolaurathere
Wanted to chime in along with others about the school rankings! I went to a public high school ranked 3/10 on Great Schools (I don’t think this website was really around then but that’s accurate-seeming to what it would have been during my time, I think). It was and is only about 15% white, with the rest being Black and Latinx students, majority of kids qualifying for free lunch, only about a 50% graduation rate, etc.
But I had a wonderful experience. I had come from a very privileged background and attended an elite private middle school–where I excelled academically but struggled socially, to the detriment of my mental health. In high school, I found my place. They had an IB magnet program and I had a few wonderful teachers (along with a few bad ones, I admit). I was in the opposite of a high pressure environment but still had smart, talented peers, many of whom came from very different backgrounds than mine. It was really good for me to experience being in the minority (racially and socioeconomically) and made me a better person and citizen, I think.
I ended up going to one of the top liberal arts colleges in the country, then a top-three law school. And I am so grateful that my parents didn’t care about school rankings and let me choose the high school that felt best for me. It has made me able to really resist the temptation of school rankings and to feel confident that we’ll make these decisions for my kid together with her based on information that isn’t captured in a website ranking–like talking to co-workers and neighbors about what their experiences have actually been like at our local public schools.
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2 years agolaurathere
Oh, and responding to myself because I realized this response was really centered on my experience. That’s partly to make the point that Emily Oster also makes which is that students who come from a privileged background with parents who support education will likely do really well anywhere. And it is important for all types of students to attend public schools–for a lot of reasons.
But I will say that there are plenty of students who attended my school who still did really well and didn’t come from privileged backgrounds. Yes, 50% did not graduate. But of the 50% that did, there are a lot of doctors, scientists, PhD students, people who got full-rides to the best state university, etc. And to the point Emily was making, I think those people would not have automatically succeeded no matter where they went, so the fact that the school contributed to a good chunk of people really succeeding is still impressive even if they couldn’t help all of the students in the really disadvantaged community they were serving.
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2 years agoJackie
Food for thought…my 1st grader is better at math than my 4th grader. He’s fast, intuitively grasps ‘new math’ concepts, does mental math quickly and loves it. His test scores for math this year say he’s below grade level. Why? He was in a bad mood that day and didn’t feel like sitting at a computer. Because, you know, he’s a smart (often bored) 7 y/o boy. So….
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2 years agoBurgh NP
Thanks for bringing this up, Emily. I would say that all of this really begs the question of why we have such disparity among schools and school districts in the first place. If we look at our policies, we can find many practices that contribute to disparity and segregation. Just try to put low income housing into high income suburbs, for example, and you will see all kinds of opposition (sometimes about parking or other such things, but we all know what it is really about). Just try to increase density in areas with single family homes to try to increase home affordability (there are just a few areas doing this now). Just try to change the funding formula so that schools rely less on local real estate taxes and more on a centralized funding source, thereby spreading the funding to lower income districts. Just try to change the way that charter schools are funded right now, taking dollars away from public schools, and in some areas religious schools can take these dollars too. Just try to change the way that teachers and administrators with experience (and therefore, seniority to place transfer requests) are assigned to schools in larger districts. Just try to change the schedule to allow for parental involvement among working parents, or have effective ways to reach parents intimidated by the school system. How about the concentration of non-profit property, exempt from taxes, concentrated in the urban core of our mid-sized cities? How about the plummet in real estate assessments of our downtown properties as people work from home? And, perhaps most importantly, how do we support the stimulation and education of children from infancy on? How do we address the “word gap”, the hours spent in front of screens, and the lack of interactive play that some young children experience to the detriment of their later education? For those of the commenters here who were able to take AP and advanced courses in low-ranked schools, we should look to your districts as examples of how this was accomplished, because in too many districts it is not even possible to do this. Just saying, people, if you care about children and education, advocacy and a shift in thinking to the entirety of the problem and solutions, is sorely needed!
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2 years agoAnonymous
Hi Emily – some of the writing in the article on screen time seems to really over simplify things…primarily the section on content. You note content doesn’t matter much beyond age appropriateness, and note that violent video games and shows don’t lead to more violence. What about cultural messaging though? What about the data on how racism, sexism, objectification of women’s bodies, glorification of thinness, etc. influence a child’s perception of themselves and others? There seems to be this huge reckoning going on for millennial women right now about how distorted body image messaging was for us growing up, and the long-term damaging effect of consuming content that disparaged bodies that were anything other than very skinny, able bodied, light skinned, etc. Content seems so much bigger an issue than violence, swearing, sex and nudity.
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2 years agodGdvbGQ2NUB5YWhvby5jb20=
Your article on compounded hormones misses the point. While the individual chemicals are the same as FDA approved patches, the quality control in the manufacturing process is not the same. You an accurately noted the lack of quality control for so-called bioidentical hormones which means a user could be getting less or more hormones due to this lack of control. Or, that the hormone levels they receive vary from batch to batch. Not to mention the delivery mechanism via pellets has not been tested so the dosage over time is also unclear. To this reader, that would make the unregulated pellets both more expensive AND less safe. Lack of quality control by definition makes them less safe.
As a physician you should be outraged that women ( I won’t say “your patients” because you are not an OB/GYN and your website doesn’t offer services for women in menopause) are being pushed a more expensive product by doctors who often profit from its sale when a cheaper, better tested and better regulated version with far superior quality control is available.
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2 years agoMafritzsche
Thank you for pointing this out! I was disappointed to read this article and see the bottom line being to find a reputable compounding pharmacy, if that is the patient’s preference. However, it seems like a significant concern that the compounded HRT is not regulated and there’s no way for the consumer to know if the product is consistent. I would be very concerned about using a product with that lack of oversight, and I wish that Dr Goddard gave that issue more attention in her piece about compounded HRT.
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2 years agoLindsay M
Question for Gillian Goddard on the bioidentical hormone article: most of what I hear about bioidentical hormones is actually about synthetic progestins vs bioidentical progesterone, but the article didn’t cover this. For example, in this article on CEMCOR (https://www.cemcor.ca/resources/progesterone-not-progestogenprogestin%E2%80%94-it%E2%80%99s-estrogen%E2%80%99s-unique-biological-partner):
“Progesterone is a hormone integral to women’s whole reproductive system and is essential in the milieu of an adult woman. Progesterone works in partnership with estradiol in every system, tissue and cell. However, sometimes progesterone and progestogens have opposite effects! For example, progesterone acts in breast cells to decrease estrogen-related cell growth/proliferation and to make cells more mature [2]. We only recently learned this—activation of the progesterone receptor by progesterone in breast cells decreases the proliferation that is normally produced by stimulation of the estrogen receptor [3]. Progesterone’s breast actions through the progesterone receptor have breast cancer-reducing effects. The opposite is true for medroxyprogesterone, the progestogen most closely chemically related to progesterone. When medroxyprogesterone is used in combination with estrogen, this treatment increases breast cancer risk [4]. Sufficient research now combined shows that progesterone with estrogen treatment significantly decreases menopausal women’s risk for breast cancer compared to progestogens with estrogen therapy [5](Asi et al. Systematic Reviews (2016) 5:121 DOI 10.1186/s13643-016-0294-5 2016). It turns out that medroxyprogesterone acts in breast cells through a glucocorticoid rather than through the progesterone receptor; stimulation of that stress hormone receptorincreased the breast cell proliferation that, with estrogen, increased breast cancer risk [6].”
I have no idea if this source is legit or not, but curious about your take on the whole synthetic vs bioidentical topic when it comes to progesterone.
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2 years agosmfinch
Very disappointed in the answer to a very specific question from Casey regarding any available research about the accuracy of a potential prenatal diagnosis percentage. What followed seemed to be a non-answer explaining that doctors really try to get these things right, which of course we all understand and then a patronizing description about how to discuss a potential diagnosis with the doctor. That was not her question. Her question was…how often does research show these diagnosis percentages are accurate. With the prevalence of more prenatal screening, stories like Casey’s are more and more common and I believe the impact of stress on a pregnant mother in these situations cannot be overstated. What I do think is lacking is thorough counseling prior to administering some of these tests, which seem now to be standard, without explaining what they are testing for and why, and consideration on the part of the parents how they might USE this information. My midwife, counseled me by saying “it’s helpful to know what you might feel comfortable doing with this information, and how it might change your decisions”. I neglected any testing other than the 20 week ultrasound bc I knew that was right for me. I realize all issues don’t present as a result of testing…but a lot do. I have several friends who had genetic screening results flagged, sometimes for the possibility of very severe anomilies, only to result in severe anxiety, further expensive work up, and at the end of the day, a healthy baby. It’s a legitimate question to ask about the accuracy of some of these test results or doctor’s analyses given how expensive and life-impacting our care is. IS there research indicating accuracy of potential diagnosis percentages?
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2 years agosaram
As an AYA breast cancer survivor I was glad to see Tamoxifen discussed (April is AYA Cancer awareness month too!). Here to add that many of us with er/pr+ breast cancer that are premenopausal are now being prescribed Lupron (shuts down ovaries) and Letrozole (decreases other estrogen made by the body) instead of Tamoxifen. Of course this is all dependent on your type of cancer and risk so this is not to say that Tamoxifen is bad, it’s not, but there are multiple treatment types. It’s a huge adjustment to be put into medical menopause and I’m glad to see more resources available to navigate it.
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2 years agoKat
Re maternal mortality data: I read that the US is actually on par with other developed countries. But from reading your article I can see that too might be an oversimplification. Any insight into what counting method other developed countries use and how the US compares?
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2 years agoaccess@mattered.com
Comment re: CDC Maternal Mortality Data.
Is there any way to access data on Severe Maternal Morbidity (SMM) and how it has been trending over time in the U.S.? SMM is defined as “health-impacting and life-threatening events that occur during hospitalization for childbirth.”
Is there a way to access this data by hospital system?
I ask because during my first healthy, normal pregnancy at 36, I had a bad outcome classified as SMM. Hospital says this is “rare” and a “freak thing” but the more I read about this, the less rare it seems (36 hours of induced labor, 4 hours of pushing, urgent but NOT emergent c section, doctor tore artery, didn’t realize it, sewed me up, 6L hemorrhage, Hysterectomy).
It seems that there are many near-misses with lifelong health implications like mine that are not being reported. It has been very hard for me to get answers about this and find data.
Curious if anyone has any tips on how to get these answers? I have yet another meeting with the hospital in May. Thank you!
Thanks!
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2 years agoAmanda
I wouldn’t rely on death certificates for this information. They are an afterthought typically in health care, and not particularly standardized. When my grandmother died in 2021, the doctor filled one out without having been present or examined the patient or done an autopsy or tested for covid. It was probably roughly correct, but it was no gem of data accuracy. And it was absolutely typical. It’s paperwork that doctors have to do but often rush through, and it’s not done in the interests of data or science.
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2 years agoErin
Re: Maternal mortality. I feel like this is a good topic for a qualitative evaluation. Since the numbers are not large, a researcher could get a good sample of the death certificates that were included in one definition and excluded from the other definition.
Also, the increasing trend is during covid, which Emily noted. While the increase may or may be from covid itself, mothers may not have received the care they would have otherwise. People were avoidant of hospitals, and medical facilities were at capacity.0 comments -
1 year, 12 months agoaccess@mattered.com
When discussing maternal mortality rates, I believe it’s imperative to look at the data related to suicide and homicide as a result of intimate partner violence (IPV). These numbers will rise as we continue to resitrict women from having access to to supports and services, particularly in lower socio-economic areas. It really needs to be a part of the conversation. IPV is often swept under the rug. https://www.facs.org/for-medical-professionals/news-publications/news-and-articles/press-releases/2024/pregnant-women-living-in-states-with-limited-access-to-abortion-face-higher-levels-of-intimate-partner-homicide/#:~:text=Between%202018%2D2020%2C%20nearly%20500,partner%20during%20their%20peripartum%20period.
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1 year, 12 months agoaccess@mattered.com
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1 year, 12 months agoMEG
“Skin Care During Pregnancy”
I truly appreciate this article! I would be forever grateful to see the follow up piece on all these with breastfeeding.
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1 year, 12 months agoAllison T
Great article on skincare! I was hoping to see commentary on the use of retinol products while breastfeeding. Are they all banned? Anything similar allowed?
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1 year, 11 months agoaccess@mattered.com
I’m curious about the research behind the claim “In the data, there are a couple of school-level inputs, or characteristics, that do seem to be causally linked to student learning. One is student-teacher ratio: fewer students per teacher has been shown to increase learning (it’s true that richer districts have a smaller number of students per teacher, but other analyses that are able to isolate causality also show this).”
As someone who works in school leadership, I’ve heard a lot of different claims on this topic – and I expect there is some nuance (what age ranges causality is most impactful, at what number a smaller student:teacher ratio is no longer casaully impactful, etc.) and I’d love to be directed to some studies you think highly of to better inform my decision making.
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1 year, 11 months agoMelissa
In response to the newsletter item about breastfeeding and food allergies, I have a child with FPIES who is reactive to his triggers through my breastmilk. I’ve read that triggers are undetectable in milk in 12 hours or less (https://www.freetofeed.com/post/truth) and in my experience, this seems to be true — my baby will react within a few hours after I’ve consumed his trigger, but is usually fine the next day. I think the longer time frames mentioned (72 hours, or 2-4 weeks) are about how long it takes for your baby’s gut to heal. The reaction caused inflammation that makes them sick and so it may take some time to notice the healing effects of removing the trigger from your diet. But if you slip up and accidentally consume some of the trigger(s), you do not need to dump your milk for weeks after — evidence seems to suggest dumping milk for the next 8-12 hours or so and then you’re in the clear to continue breastfeeding.
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1 year, 11 months ago
ElleTo Katie from the Q&A email on April 18th asking about preterm labor: look up Lauren Hefez on YouTube/Instagram. She is a Boston-area Pilates/barre instructor and big part of the community. She has lived a very similar experience with her pregnancies and might be a helpful anecdotal reference for you. Her classes are great!
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1 year, 11 months agoLin.T
Wanted to add my personal experience of dairy allergy. Firstly, I hope your child outgrows it as mine has (now he has a intolerance which means he can have dairy, just only half as much as most children in one sitting and also the type of milk matters). Secondly, while severe dairy allergy does present in bloody stools etc., my child’s dairy intolerance/ allergy presented as jacquet’s dermatitis due to the constant watery and apparently incredibly acidic poos (a diaper rash so severe it has its own name – images on google are painful and graphic, you have been warned). And yes second that all dairy needs to be eliminated including anything cooked with butter and that’s pretty much 80% of every (non raw food) you can buy in a store or in a shop, including things you wouldn’t initially think has dairy, like bread.
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