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2 years ago
How do you parent in a group?
As our kids get older, we meet new parents, arrange playdates, and we’re generally surrounded by new family dynamics. It’s inevitable that we run into parenting styles and behaviors that are different from our own. What can be even more uncomfortable is that sometimes these things pose challenges that need to be addressed.
Today’s question asks the Village to step in and share different approaches to the situation at hand. I’m personally curious about how other parents would respond to this specific issue, but also how you deal with these things as a whole. Have you found yourself navigating difficult dynamics in a group of other parents? How do you approach these situations and handle conflicts? These conversations are never fun, but I know with support and guidance, we’ll have some valuable tools for when these things come up.
—Denisse, ParentData Community Manager
And now for today’s question.
We love hosting, and now that our friend group all has kids the same age (toddlers), our get-togethers have transformed into playdates. However, every time we host, one or more of our kid’s toys get broken by one family. Accidents happen, but it upsets me that there is never an apology or offer to make things right. There’s also never a correction of the child’s behavior if something was done on purpose. How do I handle this when my kid is crying after they leave? So far, we’ve tried hiding special/sentimental things, but it’s not really feasible to remove every toy from the equation. How have others approached this?
—Uncomfortable Host
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2 years, 2 months agoMomof2
Once I was hosting a party and a friends child took my daughters beloved wooden castle and hurled it down a flight of stairs. The castle broke and it damaged our walls. I was totally unprepared for how to handle it. Since I’ve thought through my approach and feel good about it.
I am confident in my parenting and discipline approach and will employ it on any and all children that pass under my eyes. I’ve noticed that other parents who aren’t confident and/or comfortable with their own philosophies tend to stand back in these moments and someone has to take charge. I’ve never had someone be anything but grateful but maybe I’ve just been lucky!
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2 years, 2 months ago
Fourbabies(I am assuming that the same group meets regularly and you just rotate hosting duties)
Address all the parents and say something like: “I’m wondering what we should do if something gets damaged at one of our homes? Should the responsible family offer to pay to replace/repair it or should we all contribute to a “damage” fund that can be used under such circumstances? What do you all think?”
By addressing the entire group the “offending” family will not feel targeted (but maybe a little guilty!) and other adults may offer additional suggestions that would work.
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2 years, 2 months agoaccess@mattered.com
+1 to approaching the group rather than putting someone on the spot!
I believe that if my kid damages something, it’s my responsibility to encourage my kid to apologize, and to offer to replace/fix. It grinds my gears when others don’t share this belief, for sure.
I’ll also add that as a parent / owner-of-things, you can control how you feel about your things: you can decide that you don’t mind if toys get broken. For me personally, my life as a parent has been less stressful than it could have been because I don’t sweat the small stuff.
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2 years, 2 months agoLouise
I really don’t agree with this. I think the kindest and most respectful thing is to be open and direct. If you’re sort of hoping the “offensing” family will feel guilty (i.e., recognize their own behaviour), you’re not hoping to save them from feeling singled out, you’re hoping to save yourself an uncomfortable conversation.
This has happened to me a couple times. Each time, in the moment, I say something kind but clear, like “Oops! Looks like you accidentally broke Jamie’s toy! Jamie looks sad.” Usually the kid will apologize spontaneously. If they don’t I prompt them. Where I live that’s totally fair play – if you are a trusted adult you can gently offer guidance or correction to a kid you know. Maybe that’s not true everywhere.
When something like this has happened and it’s a baby or someone else who doesn’t have a good handle on cause and effect, I talk to the parents like I would in any other upsetting situation: “Hey, my kid was really upset that Baby Alex broke that toy. I know they’re too little to know better! But I was hurt that you didn’t even apologize. It made me feel like you didn’t care.”
I really think that telling other people directly how their actions impact you and what you’d like to see from them creates the best possibility for conflict resolution.
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2 years, 2 months agoLolosnaps
I’m also in a similar situation where my husband’s cousin is very selfish and spoils her son. When they come over, the son keeps wanting to play with my husbands special toy car collection that he’s expressed several times for no one to touch, but the mom (my husband’s cousin) actually grabs it for him. I didn’t say much before since I didn’t want to create a stir, but no one else was stepping in so last time I finally put my foot down and said in a stern but pointed note it needs to be put back. Then I placed it back. Then the cousin goes and literally grabs another car. I am also at a total loss. If I ever explode on her I’m sure I’ll be saying not just a few nasty words but something about her needing to step up as a parent, which is going to make family gatherings so so awkward in the future. The older generation (husbands parents, uncles and aunts) have tried to gently suggest things but the cousin would say not to yell at her son, or just let him be. She’s purposely coddling her son.
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2 years, 2 months agoKingmama
So frustrating. You can coddle your kid. I don’t care. However, I have house rules for adults and children and not touching my collectible toys is one of those things. Sounds like Mom is the problem in not understanding no don’t touch. Definitely a hard thing for people who aren’t collectors and who just see toys. I know my 3-year-old has a hard time that Grandpa has a small collection of his childhood toys on display in the living room but they have lead because Grandpa is 82! So those toys are no 😂
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2 years, 2 months agoaccess@mattered.com
That’s frustrating because you’re essentially saying you have to parent your kid(s), her kid, and HER. The adult. I can relate in the sense that my mother in law tends to be very lax about telling the grandkids no to playing with things, but she doesn’t have mean intentions about it, we’ve just all kind of tacitly agreed that it’s an occasion to say “sorry, I know Grandma said it was okay, but it’s not. Go do something else.” But physically doing what she wants regardless of your repeated requests not to is a TOTALLY different thing. Have you considered talking to her privately and expressing how you feel and explaining what your boundaries are, like literally saying “we love spending time with you and investing in our relationship, but when you behave in this specific way I feel very hurt and disrespected, and I’m sure you don’t want to hurt me.” I say this because truthfully, it’s not ONLY that you’re feeling justified frustration with how she’s modeling a bad behavior for the kids in the room (disrespecting people’s wishes and boundaries) but also she is *actively disrespecting your wishes*. I might even say something (if it were me) like “if you were to invite us to your home, I might not parent my kid the same way you parent yours, but I would certainly not come to your house and like pull your underwear/expensive makeup/sex toys/personal diary out of your drawer and hand it to my kid, because it would make you feel like total crap.” Like, this is an adult who apparently didn’t learn how to respect the privacy and boundaries of other adults! No one wants to be the bad guy with their kid because it feels icky, but also … there’s being a bad guy to set a fair rule and also being a total jerk to your family and friends….
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2 years, 2 months agoKateDi
Everyone has different comfort levels and dynamics with friends and family, so this may not work for you, but take whatever might be useful. One thing that has come in VERY handy for me is shifting my understanding of boundaries. I can express what I wish others would or would not do in different situations, but I only have control over my own decisions or actions – everything else is a request which may be respected or rejected by other people. So in this case, if it feels possible for you, you might be able to kindly express your boundary as something like “I’m guessing this all might feel silly to you, or like it’s not a very important rule to follow, but it means a lot to my family that we be able to have guests come to our home and feel like our treasured things will be safe and respected. For us that means that we really don’t want these cars to be played with. Going forward, if that’s not something that you and your child can agree to, unfortunately we won’t be able to invite you to the gatherings we host in our home, which would be really sad for us. I hope that doesn’t have to happen, because we enjoy your company.”
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2 years, 2 months agoSoMama
Such moments around other oblivious-or-worse parents are so hard. I try to give them a house-rules spin: “In our house, this is off limits.” You wouldn’t let a kid play with the stove; treat whatever the off-limits thing is like the stove. Sooner the better to establish these limits, as the longer time goes on, the more awkward it’ll be. Set the precedent as early as possible. In our house, we had our son put away important toys before company. We would tell him that any toys not put away had the potential to be broken by a guest, so as he got older, he made choices accordingly. If one of his little friends was purposefully rough with a toy, I would remove it and tell the kids that if we can’t play with this in a way that doesn’t break it, we will put the toy away. (That requires paying closer attention to the gaggle of playing kids that the adults might want to!) I have found that being clear about these limits has helped my child stand up to his friends about them as he gets older. If one particular kid is always breaking things, I would talk to the parent, because it will only get worse as the kid gets older and limits aren’t enforced in your house. If that’s just beyond awkward, consider putting away anything breakable (so annoying, yes) and offering wooden food toys or something they can’t break.
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2 years, 2 months agoRory’s mum
I completely agree with framing it as “these are the rules in this house”.
Also parenting is hard and exhausting. Maybe your friend is just tired and since you haven’t raised the issue assumes that the behaviour is ok. I know that I am a much more diligent parent in some houses than I am in others, based on the hosts expectations.
Also, if you are feeling this way about the interaction, others probably are too. We had a friend with a badly behaved dog that scared all the kids, except for hers. She would just brush it off and say it was my kid not her dog…until other people stopped coming over or left early because of the dog. Now they take the issue seriously and either keep the dog outside or at the grandparents for group catch-ups0 comments
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2 years, 2 months agoKatiecat
Sometimes I find it easier with toddlers to set up a few super appealing things ahead of time, and tuck other stuff away as much as possible. Like leave out legos, playdoh, and some not easily broken pretend play stuff. Maybe time consuming snacks? Have the kids peel their own oranges or put Cheerios on pipe cleaners or something? Parents are trickier lol 😂
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2 years, 2 months agobmt206
This is the way. Set them up for success. Put anything you don’t want broken away.
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2 years, 2 months ago2u2 mom
Maybe I’m outting myself as the mom whose kid breaks toys – but what do we mean by “break”? My kids are still very young so their toys can’t really be broken per se. and I expect that they are going to be destructive. If they actually broke something of value (a lamp or something) at someone’s house, I would offer to replace. But when my son has a playdate and his friend (or rather, my friends kid) “breaks” his Duplo creation, I don’t consider that actionable even if my son is crying. And I would feel pretty put out if another parent said something to me about similar behavior in my kid.
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2 years, 2 months agoSoMama
My kid was also rough with toys (his older cousin nicknamed him Destructo), and he played with cars missing doors etc. for years. Most plastic toys can get broken somehow, even if they’re meant for littles. (My kid would find a way.) Now he sometimes accidentally breaks toys trying to figure out how they work. But I was always really aware of how he treated other kids’ toys, and would remove them from him or at least warn the parents that a particular toy may not survive a run-in with my kid, and they could choose to put it away. I’m guessing this conversation is about toys that would require replacing/cost money to be useful again, so not Duplo creations. My son is about to turn 6 and still has an old Duplo train in the back of his closet bc it was so precious to him, just as it was when he built it! So he chose to put away before company bc he did not want it destroyed.
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2 years, 2 months agoStephanie
I might pass the mic (so to speak) to my kid. If I see my kid upset by their toy broken, I might help them find the words that I’m struggling to find. Saying to my kid, “you didn’t like it when X broke your toy. Let’s go talk to them. You can tell them that it makes you sad when your toys are broken and that you hope they will treat them better next time.“ maybe even adding, “It’s not fun to play with someone who breaks the toys all the time and doesn’t say sorry or try to make it right.”
I also echo the sentiments about parenting other kids (especially in your own home) the way you would parent your own. If it’s a friend’s kid, I would talk to them as I would my own if they broke something at my house.
It really is a challenging question. But I think by navigating it and trying to approach it head on, you model for your own kids how to stand up for themselves. Good luck!
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2 years, 2 months agoparent
I like this for older kids but for toddlers I think it just has to be a conversation held with parents. Most toddlers are just not yet capable of consistently employing impulse control in service of an indirect consequence (e.g., another kid’s feelings). Parents need to intervene to keep all toddlers safe and (most) toys in tact.
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2 years, 2 months agoKingmama
I do the same thing of asking my child what toys they don’t want to share or which ones are too special and we put those away. If you have expectations of other people and their children, you have to be clear up front. You could try leading by examples that they might not follow your example in paying for broken toys. You have to establish your boundaries and let the group know beforehand. I think if you come to your friends and say we are really working on sharing or taking turns or not throwing so I’m going to be disciplining my kid when I see this action can you please do the same to model to my child. I think most parents will say yes. That’s something we want to work on also. Whether it’s a time out or a conversation about how it’s not nice to take other people’s things, your friends will handle it a different way, but at least they’re showing some intervention to your own child. In regards to breaking toys or your wall. Have that conversation but you might get some responses that say we do not care about our toys. If our toy is broken in a play date it is put in the trash and we deal with the crying. So you will have to come as a group to an agreement. In all honesty, there are some little kids that I do not enjoy having playdates with because of the different temperaments. Usually with age or little distance kids grow so quickly that play dates are not called off forever.
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2 years, 2 months agoKateDi
This makes a lot of sense to me. Sharing with the group that it’s been getting harder to host gatherings because the regular breaking of toys/damage has been hard for your own kid and for you. Starting with some sort of statement that you don’t believe any of it is intentional (whether you do or not, it’ll head of some defensiveness), but the end result is still tough. And then asking the group what they think might be some good solutions. At the end of the day if the group isn’t able to agree to something that feels good to the host, or that just doesn’t end up being implemented in practice, the host has to decide if they want to continue to have the gatherings in their place in the same way or not. We can ask for group help, but that will all be voluntary. Beyond that we only really have control over our own actions (continuing to host at home vs different location, hosting frequency, putting away precious items, accepting damage as the cost of gathering, waiting to host more until children are older). Yet it always seems appropriate to share ahead of time what you are thinking and feeling with the group and why you might need to make some changes if it’s getting too hard. That gives space for people to show up and offer support if they can and if they want to, but it also doesn’t require other people to change for us to take care of our own needs.
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2 years, 2 months agoaccess@mattered.com
If toys are getting broken by toddlers, it was likely going to happen eventually anyway, if not by your current toddler then by another guest or future sibling. Most toddler toys are either pretty indestructible or pretty temporary/inexpensive. Hide the heirlooms and get used to the rest being temporary.
That said, it would be best for the parents to apologize and offer to replace the broken toys. I would not bring it up, though. The value of these toys is less than the value of your friendships. Rather, model what you’d like to see, by making a point to apologize and replace things that you or your kid breaks. You’re all new to parenting, so everyone in this group is looking to each other for role models of what’s normal and appropriate. If you do it, it will probably catch on.
Correcting toddlers’ behavior, though, is only marginally developmentally appropriate. Some general instruction like “don’t throw things indoors” is fine to try, but don’t get your hopes up for compliance. Specific physical interventions like “I see you want to hit the table with this toy, but I don’t want it to break, so I’m going to take it away and give you something else” are great parenting. But they require constant proximity and attention that may be more or less practical depending on the layout of the space and how deep into adult conversation the parents want to try to get in the meantime. I don’t know the specifics of your situation, but much “correction” that would be appropriate for a 4 year old is not appropriate or effective for a 1-2 year old. Things are going to get broken, and that’s the cost of doing business.
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2 years, 2 months agoaccess@mattered.com
As far as addressing your kid’s feelings, they don’t care whether the other kid is corrected, or whether the parents apologize to you. What they care about is primarily that their feelings are heard, affirmed, and comforted by you, and to some extent whether they get the toy replaced/fixed and other toys not broken.
You can affirm and comfort your child regardless of what others do. You can replace or repair the toys regardless of whether the other parents offer to do that. You can hide the irreplaceable toys. What neither you nor the other parents can do is guarantee that their toddlers won’t be rough with toys in the future, although there are some steps, like the physical interventions I mentioned above, that either they (or you!) could do to somewhat reduce the chances of toys breaking in the future.
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2 years, 2 months agoStephanie
Most of these comments seem to come from a point of concern that you’ll lose friends. Do you really want friends who don’t respect your and your family’s boundaries? Tell them if something is broken beyond use it needs to be replaced of of respect. When you go to others’ homes, ask proactively what their house rules are so you also show them respect and expectations are known.
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2 years, 2 months agonicki86
This is my thought too. There’s also a lot of essentially “toddlers will be toddlers” but the toys are *only* getting broken by one particular toddler. If the kid doesn’t grow out of it, the parents aren’t going to one day say “well Suzie is 6 now so I guess we should start replacing the things she breaks.” They don’t respect you now and they aren’t going to later. I think it’s worth addressing it, but I think you should also be prepared for them to get defensive and the friendship to suffer and possibly end. But despite what other comments are saying, it won’t be ending over broken toys. It will be ending because they have no respect.
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2 years, 2 months agorachelwt
It’s important to be clear and set boundaries. I think you could do this with the group as a whole but everyone will know who you’re really talking to. I’d pull the specific parents aside and be clear about what’s happening and what your expectation of them is (pay for the toy, address the situation in the moment, whatever you’re seeking). Be open to a conversation with them, try to be curious (they may be really embarrassed already), and talk about next steps if it happens again. Then you need to hold that boundary and the next time something gets broken, follow whatever steps you discussed with them. There may be some hurt feelings but this is also a good example to set for your child around setting boundaries.
I also agree that if I see something with kids in my home, I’ll say something or stop the behavior somehow (take away the toy, intervene in the game). And it’s a good idea to set expectations with the kids up front as well (age appropriately)
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2 years, 2 months agoLCR
Parenting with others gaze can feel so hard. It speaks a lot to our own insecurities and triggers. It’s also worth remembering that a young child’s ability to feel true empathy doesn’t kick in til about 5-6 (the importance of getting what you wanted/needed was a factor in young human survival). So if we want kids to apologize we have to know we’re just teaching them to parrot (like please and thank you) for personal gain. The risk is having our own embarrassment channel into behaviours that incite shame into the kids.
But having said that firm boundaries are very important. Every parent should feel empowered enough to deny their child something they want desperately and maintain that regardless of the ensuing tantrum.0 comments -
2 years, 2 months ago
LucyI really love to reference Janet Lansbury’s podcast, “Unruffled” for this type of situation! As a teacher, I have confidence modeling and redirecting behavior in the classroom setting, but agree that everything gets muddled when my group role switches from “group leader” to “fellow parent”. Lansbury’s podcast has helped me shift my perspective to better understand child behavior/motives, and I now feel more equipped to respond kindly/firmly to other children to help manage behaviors. A lot of it has to do with being close and present enough to the child(ren) in order to intervene before safety issues/bodily harm arises, which is something not all parents want to do when we’re distracted together trying to enjoy adult conversations.
The other part of her approach has a lot to do with managing our own feelings so that we’re responding to children without judgment or shame, just clear redirection to uphold our boundaries. I highly recommend a listen because her tone/attitude is better conveyed through her podcast than my second-hand comment haha!
I guess I don’t truly know how I come across to other parents, but I will say that as a teacher, I receive few (if any) concerned emails about how I deal with student behavior ever since I’ve started adapting my approach like this… knock on wood…
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2 years, 2 months agoDaniellemarie
A lot of the comments are coming from the perspective of the parents of children whose toys are being broken with judgement or shame being shown to those parents. I’m a parent of a 22 month old with a speech delay, who is often the one responsible for not sharing or being hard on toys. My child is in speech therapy and gets push in services at his school, but we are still working with a communication delay. In a group setting, I can do a lot to prevent toys from getting broken, but there are going to be things that I miss, and until I can communicate clearly with my child, there are only so many boundaries and rules I can enforce, especially in a group setting. I think we can hold other parents and children accountable while also giving lots of grace to parents and children, especially neurodivergent children! If a parent is doing their best to stay consistent with their expectations with their child, I think that’s really all we can ask for and then expect for toys to be played with, hard or not.
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2 years, 2 months agonicki86
OP said that when it happens on purpose, the parents don’t correct it. Even if there are extenuating circumstances, if a child is consistently breaking another child’s toys, at a bare minimum the parents should be saying “uh oh, you broke that toy. Let’s try to be more careful next time.” And to the hosts, if there’s something else going on, the parents should say “kiddo is struggling with x right now. We’re working on it but he’s still having trouble. Sorry about the broken toy.” It sounds like they are saying absolutely nothing to their kid or the hosts, which is not okay.
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2 years, 2 months agoKMM418
We rotate with another family weekly, affectionately called Family Dinner Sundays. Our older kids both get rowdy, and there is usually crying and sometimes blood (standard kid injuries like a skinned knee, not fistfights). We’ve taken a collective approach, and any adult is allowed to step in to parent any child. We draw the line at giving kids time-outs (their family uses them, our family doesn’t). But any parent is empowered to take a toy and put it up if the kids don’t play with it appropriately after 1 reminder, or if they’re fighting over something, we set a five-minute timer until the next kid gets a turn. We ask our kid if there’s anything he doesn’t want to share before they come over and we put things away while guests are over. Sometimes, directed activities like coloring, crafts, bubbles or playing outside to get them away from all the toys helps us when the kids are wild. The older kids like it when an adult plays with them, so we also rotate that throughout the course of our get togethers so the adults get some down time to hang out and the kids have an adult supervising them to keep things a little more calm.
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2 years, 2 months agobmt206
On this one, I’d go upstream and try to figure out what’s causing the behavior. Do the toys get broken at the end of the night, when the kids are overtired and probably the party should have broken up half an hour ago? (This is the case of every parent/kid party I’ve ever thrown) Do toys get broken right before dinner, when everyone is hungry? Does it happen when the kid in question is feeling left out by a parent whose socializing? Is there a particular type of toy that always suffers and could be put away? Or is this a kid who isn’t really ready to be roaming your house without tons of supervision and one of the adults needs to be on alert child watch for awhile? (I don’t know if this is already the case for you, but I assume not since a grown up could probably intervene before breakage. And again, no judgement, I let the child gang run free as much as I can at my place.) You can’t dictate your friends behavior and just continuing to be annoyed with their child breaking things won’t preserve what sounds like a lovely friend group. So try to figure out how you can set the kids up for success. You said they’re toddlers – maybe creating a safe space for them that has fewer toys in it would be a good start?
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2 years, 2 months agoctwignall
I think it’s important to be honest and direct. I don’t suggest a group chat because it’s passive aggressive- if it’s clearly just one family everyone will know. These are your friends- talk to the mom- something like “we love having everyone over, but it’s honestly becoming a little stressful when it seems like (her kid) it’s careful with our toys. We’re really trying to help (my kid) learn about respecting things. Do you think you can watch (your kid) a little more carefully? I’d really appreciate it.” See what happens- it could be awesome for your friendship (I’d hope my friend would be honest with me). If they respond in a way that isn’t respectful, don’t have them over until the toddler phase is over- or your hang time with that friend might need to not involve kids, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
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2 years, 2 months agoSTLSAHM
As a former preschool teacher, I often find myself in group play date situations saying to the other parents “do you mind if I put my classroom hat on for this?” 10/10 times they are happy to pass the baton off to someone else.
I would take the offending child over to the broken toy, and ask them how it feels now that the toy is broken (sad, mad, happy, etc) and then direct those feelings to the owner of said toy and try to broker some sort of apology and peace treaty. Once I had refereed the children, I would return to the parent group and relay the state of the toy. “Well, I think that one is unsalvageable, someone might want to go confiscate anything similar” or “I hope that wasn’t valuable, it might need to be replaced.” Or even “I think it can be fixed with a little superglue.”
I am also a conflict avoider in my own relationships, so I agree it would be awkward and uncomfortable to feel like I needed to *ask* for replacements or repayment. I would be hoping for the offending family to take a hint, and unhelpfully maybe offer some passive aggressive commentary 🤣 I realize this is immature and unhelpful, thats why I was a preschool teacher and didn’t work with adults!
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2 years, 2 months agoSTLSAHM
I will also say, in my own home, I am a bit of a stickler for toy treatment and organization, so I am typically the “patroller”. I have no problem excusing myself from an adult conversation to check on everyone in the playroom or basement, and intervene in conflicts before they become destructive. I am quick to investigate raised voices or crying, and if I’m the first one to the scene of a crime I will handle it in my own teaching/parenting style. If you want to have control over the outcome, you better beat me there!
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2 years, 2 months agoLkellz
I love the suggestions to speak directly to the parents with curiosity. Try to frame it as looking for a way to solve the problem together. “I love having your family at our house. I noticed your son has a hard time playing our toys. Do you think he would feel calmer if we… met at a different time of day? Met up in a smaller group? Played outside for an hour before coming in the house?”
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2 years, 2 months agoJackie
I was really surprised by this question. Toddlers developmentally don’t have a ton of judgement or impulse control. We’re liberal in removing things that we don’t to risk, but our general assumption has been that anything out is fair game for the kids, and it may get mangled/broken/colored on in the process. I would really never expect the parents to offer to pay for or otherwise replace a kid toy. If they climbed our counters and broke nice stemware that was intentionally out of kid reach, that might be a different situation, but I’d still chalk it up to something that just happens sometimes when you host.
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2 years, 2 months agoPerpetuallyTired
We’re in a similar situation: my son (4y) is loves to play with the kid across the street (4.5y). But this kid is a downright bully: he says mean things to my kid, purposely excludes him, and once even spat in his face. I absolutely cannot stand it, and the parents do nothing (if they’re even around). I’ve intervened on things that aren’t safe and are obvious verbal jabs at my kiddo, but it never stops.
Do I need to have a talk with the parents? Like I said we’re neighbors, and there’s no real avoiding this playtime. I was hoping my son would pick up on this other kids’ jerk behavior, but so far no such luck.Signed,
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2 years, 2 months agoaccess@mattered.com
Everyone is mentioning how indestructible toddler toys are, because that’s the example that was given… But this is about more than broken toys. This is about shared expectations and conflict/conflict avoidance. If it’s not broken toys, it might be children hitting each other (which some people might view as just rough housing) or other behaviour that’s viewed as acceptable by one set of parents and not by another.
This needs a conversation about establishing shared expectations about how conflict will be handled more broadly. Do you get to step in when you see behaviour you feel is unacceptable, whether someone else does or not? What are the consequences for breaking boundaries? Will parents be responsible more broadly? I would do this both generally and specifically – establishing shared expectations for the group, and also speak directly to the parents who are repeatedly not taking responsibility for broken items. This isn’t about the toddlers – this is about the adults behaviour.
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2 years, 2 months agoAnonmom
This, to me, is the crux of the matter. OP seems like they are wanting to learn more about how to approach differences of parenting within their friend group now before the kids get older and it continues to other behavior. I like some of the suggestions others have mentioned about how to approach parenting in a group, house rules and how to talk to one’s friends. These are the things to focus on now so that this doesn’t continue to be a problem as the friend group’s kids continue to age.
With that in mind, I’m curious of how others have negotiated this with their friend group. Is it better to reset those boundaries outside of a gathering or in the moment by gently having an aside from the rest of the party? During a one on one play date?
The thing is, I fully expect my parenting style to differ from my fiends’ and for our kids to run into varying conflicts over the years. What may be a smooth relationship now, may be bumpy at another stage in their childhood. But I would want my friends to respect my house rules when here at my place regardless of how the rules may differ from their own. But I’m curious about different approaches to these types of conversations.
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2 years, 2 months agoklatte87
As others have said, developmentally, it’s expected that toddlers may break things. However, I think there’s a difference between when the behavior is occurring because of overly rough play or when something is, for example, accidentally knocked off a table. I think it’s important, even when kids are very small, to correct their behavior when they are being too rough, both out of respect for anyone else in the situation and so they can begin to learn effective ways of interacting with others. I have a friend whose kids play much rougher than mine, and when they were toddler and preschool age, I controlled what toys were allowed out when they played together and also removed toys when the kids were being too rough. It did involve a level of certain level of supervision, but I simply took the toy, said something matter of fact like “we don’t play with our toys in that way, we can try again with that one next time” and moved on. I also debriefed about those play dates with my son, so he was prepared to choose any toys he did or didn’t want to share next time.
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2 years, 2 months agoAnnie
I’d start by trying to identify what your first choice resolution would be, and then make a brief, friendly request and see what happens.
– If the main thing you want is for the behavior to be addressed, you could ask, “When [your kid] gets rough with [my kid’s] toys, is it okay if I say something to them, or would you prefer to?”
– If the main thing you want is for the parents to “make things right,” you could ask, “[My kid] loved that toy that got broken today. Would you mind replacing it?” Don’t make it about every toy that’s ever been broken, keep it to that day’s casualties.
– If the main thing that you want is an apology, you could ask, “[My kid] is pretty upset about the toy, could I see if [your kid] wants to say sorry to them?”I’m very conflict-avoidant myself, but keeping things as brief as possible, while still being direct, and keeping my tone of voice in the “this is no big deal!” register helps reduce the awkwardness a little.
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2 years, 2 months ago
coachmalkaDear Uncomfortable Host,
Children are highly sensitive to how we (their parents) feel. So when you feel wronged, slighted, insulted, or however it is you feel when the visiting kid’s parent makes no apology, your kid picks up on that, feels taken advantage of and expresses their distress by crying. The tears may not be over the broken toys as much as an expression of solidarity with you. Your child is on your side.If you want to test that, see if you can feel differently towards the other parent.
* Imagine if your kid was the one doing the breaking. How would you feel? (not just what would you do. Look inside)
* Do you think that other parent feels this is OK?
* Maybe s/he feels helpless, or ashamed?
* There’s no knowing what stresses they may be under.
* Maybe you could find compassion towards the parent (and child)?
* How would it feel to see yourself (and your child) as offering them a safe space, where they can hopefully become more pro-social and considerate? Some really poorly behaved kids grow up to become well behaved, well adjusted adults and citizens. Someone who believes in them and sees their potential can help that happen. That person can be you.My guess is that if you can change the way you feel about this, your child will deal with the broken toys with much less distress.
Of course if you can temporarily provide a more limited range of less breakable things, that could help, but addressing the internal narrative will also help you address other, future situations in a way a strictly practical approach will not.
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2 years, 2 months agoalice
I feel I have a very different approach to the majority in this group. I feel that if you are willing to host then you have to accept that some things may get broken. We don’t place huge value on material possessions, and if toys were broken then I would encourage my kids to say “oh well, it was just a toy”. My kids each have special comforters and I stop guests from touching those by saying “that’s x’s special toy, let’s not touch that”.
Having said this, I do get annoyed with wanton destruction and will tell kids to go and play outside!
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2 years, 2 months agostephanie
Talk to the parent in a friendly and lighthearted way when you catch them alone. Don’t talk to the group, that’s likely to make things into a bigger deal than it needs to be. Be direct.
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2 years, 2 months agoPolythene Pam
I’m late to the discussion but just want to add: I feel you on this. In our case, it’s a sibling who fails to parent their children, who are destructive in our home.
Some of the kids have grown out of the toddler-destructo phase, and it has gotten better. Honestly, the only coping we could manage gracefully was to limit how often we hosted that sibling because we had irreconcilable parenting approaches that were exaggerated in the younger years.
But I wanted to message specifically because even if it’s “just stuff” or “the cost of hosting,” it really sucks to watch a kid (a niece or nephew in my case) hulk smash your air purifier, break it, and their parent have no reaction whatsoever. I’m with you, Uncomfortable Host.
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2 years, 2 months agocatherinewl
I always start from a place that people are an expert in their own child. Generally, when parents aren’t correcting their kid, I’ve found it’s because they’ve learned that it’s ineffective and maybe even counterproductive for that kid. I’ve got one of those, and having people judge my parenting when he was small (before he gained the skills not to break toys) was so demoralizing and difficult.
I don’t use apologies much, because they don’t fix anything. When my kids apologize to me, I’ve occasionally (reflexively, regrettably) snapped “I don’t care how YOU FEEL about what you just did to me. What are you going to do to fix it?!” But the healthy version of that frustration is a desire for redress and to avoid a repeat in the future. When my kids cause harm, I tell them they have two options: ask how they can help fix it, or explain what they’ll do differently next time so this doesn’t happen again. It’s future-focused and tries to actually address the harm. And sometimes, when they ask how they can help, “Say sorry” is the response, and that’s okay. Some people like to hear it. I’m just not one of them.
But it’s hard (and ineffective and awkward) to lecture other parents about how you want them to behave in your home. I’ve navigated similar stuff by;
– Prior discussion: “my only reluctance to this play date is how wild the kids get. When they leave, my house is wrecked. What if you prep them by saying every hour, we’re going to spend 5 minutes doing a cleanup song?”
– Being the example: if my kid is too wild, I intervene and do my thing in a visible way. It can remind people to do the same.But mostly, I found my peace in letting other people choose their parenting strategy without my (even silent) opinions. When I have problem-solving energy, I direct it at my own family. There is so much freedom in not caring what other people do. I could sing a song about it. Obviously, that means you have to put the things away, or get serious about directing activities (“today we’re doing an obstacle course outside!”) or even make the parents aware but still leave the Fixing Ball in their court (“let’s keep the kids outside this time. Last time, X toy got broken and we had some tears. I want the kids to enjoy their time together.”) And trust that people do things for reasons. There’s probably a reason they don’t correct the kid. Maybe open a conversation about how difficult discipline can be and see what you learn about their experience.
How I parent in a group is this: Parenting is hard. I try to high five them, help them, or get out of the way.
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2 years, 2 months agoPolythene Pam
Oh this is so good. Thank you for this comment.
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2 years, 2 months ago2u2 mom
Was going to ask the same thing! How did you handle at the time, and anything you would have done differently?
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